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Old 05-06-2017, 03:46 AM   #11
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look at it in a different light there are millions of hbs and not 240s it forces you to learn how to drive instead of wadding up an other 240 wad up a basic std cab truck then move on to a 240 and drive like a badass.

it should be a beginner platform for open drift days its not a 240sx but it will show your good technique work in action and not reward any mistakes you make, a 240sx will give where as a hb will spin.
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I agree, they do teach well by making the learning curve harder for the student so when that same student steps out into something more capable they have a much better skill set than someone who jumps into a much more forgiving vehicle as their first car.

The biggest hang up the D21 has is the steering box. In stock trim the 240sx already has the advantage over even a modded D21 like mine that still has the original steering box. Unless you overcome that the D21 is automatically handicapped compared to the S chassis.
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look at it in a different light there are millions of hbs and not 240s it forces you to learn how to drive instead of wadding up an other 240 wad up a basic std cab truck then move on to a 240 and drive like a badass.

it should be a beginner platform for open drift days its not a 240sx but it will show your good technique work in action and not reward any mistakes you make, a 240sx will give where as a hb will spin.
I'd rather they wad up the 240's and not the trucks lol. It's like when somebody finishes their food before you and looks at yours and asks if you're gonna eat that. Lol hell no kitty these are my cheesy poofs
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but you'd rather see them in pick n pull yards? cause a poor condition 240 is worth a bunch more than a clean stock d21 or let them gain a little more respect and value by being more popular for a use other than just minitruckin?
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but you'd rather see them in pick n pull yards? cause a poor condition 240 is worth a bunch more than a clean stock d21 or let them gain a little more respect and value by being more popular for a use other than just minitruckin?
I think MORE of them will end up in the junkyard BECAUSE of the drift scene. I'll be the first to admit that the minitruckin scene has caused far too many 2wd trucks to meet an early grave. I'm guilty of this myself, I let my friends convince me to to a body drop on my truck. They all showed up in force the first day and we stripped it down and started building a frame. They never came back and I had no clue what to do. I eventually figured it out but the body of the truck was too far gone at that point to keep going. I've seen many many more get in the same type of situation with unfinished projects that derail and end up scrapped. Drifting will only cause more of this. I see more and more trucks on Craigslist and Facebook being parted out with a blow engine or similar and you can tell by looking at the truck their intentions were to build a "drift truck" and they just blew up the engine by abusing it or not maintaining it. Now, I'm not saying that nobody is capable of building a decent little hardbody drift truck. There are several pretty infamous ones out there. Like that red long bed that people are crazy about. The problem is that every 17-20 year old thinks you just do 3-4 mods on one and drive it like hell and it's a drift truck. For every well executed build, they inspire a dozen more that are destined to be parts trucks. Again, I'm not saying minitruckin is any different in that regard. We've been seeing it and trying to combat it by trying to help people do it the right, safe way for years. But I'm not buying the narrative that drifting will "save" a single truck from the junkyard, it will do the opposite. It will drive the prices up, not because of popularity, but by thinning the pool of good trucks even further.
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I agree with the OPer. If they were the same, i wouldn't have four 240's and only one D21.

PS that red Silvia is an automatic.
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Interesting read - can't argue the point. So why bother to build our D21 for road racing?
1) It's unique - it's not another Miata/BMW/Honda
2) It's durable, after all it is a truck
3) Parts are cheap and interchangeable. For Chump I can use parts from most any D21, 2WD/4WD/HD and they are all considered "stock"
4) With the 22 gallon cell, we MAY have a chance to do well in 12 hr plus races, only time will tell
5) People love it! In line at tech at Mid Ohio many folks came over to look, ask questions and want to know when we would have it on track.

Talking to the P.O. he told me the biggest limiting factors were the tires (the series it ran in mandated 15x7 max wheel thus a 225/40-15 was about it for tires) and the fact it had the aerodynamics of a brick. His advice to me "draft anything you can". With the looser rules of Chump, we have more tire, more fuel and a bit more power. We still won't be able to compete on shear speed and not on the longer HP tracks, but given a more technical track and a longer endurance race, we may be able to sneak by a few folks!
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So I sat down and broke the two down by the numbers and here is what I came up with.

I compared a 1989 S13 hatch 5 speed to a 1990 D21 Reg cab 2wd 5speed.

Same:
-Both Nissan Built
-Both KA24e
-Both Front Engine Rear Drive Config
-1st thru 4th gears same
-Significant Racing History with Official Sanctioning Bodies.


Not Same:
-(s13) (d21)
2680lbs curb-------------roughly 2800lbs curb
-IRS ---------------------Live Axle
-Struts -------------------Torsion/Leaf
-R200 w/4.083-----------H190 w/3.545
-0.759 O/D---------------0.838 O/D
-Unibody------------------Full Frame
-Horizontal In. Plenum---Vertical Throttle Body
-Aerodynamic-------------Box
-Rack and Pinion----------Recirculating Ball

I'll add to the list as I think of more things.
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Old 06-04-2017, 02:12 AM   #19
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Here is my thoughts in a video form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poru...ature=youtu.be
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Here is my thoughts in a video form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poru...ature=youtu.be
Saw the video, noted your P/S overheating problem.
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